Quote from danowat :

Christ, this is a bit of a nightmare isn't it?, how can we be sure that this is fair with all the obvious cutting that has happened?.

Personally for me, week 1 is dead and buried, hopefully the course will be checked more thoroughly for weeks 2 & 3.

Shame really

Trust me, we spent a lot of time testing the course. I went over every route checker after Victor placed them and made sure none were missing. As Victor said, we didn't realise that the finish line didn't count as a route checker. If it had, we would have been fine, as we had everything set out fine.

That's the controller the driver was using. w - wheel, m - mouse, ks - keyboard stabilized, kn - keyboard not stabilized (i think that last one is right).

Edit: you beat me to it :-)

Quote from Blackout :

It's a good option for AutoX, where I think it was intended and quickly applied.
I think it's good for AutoX because it's rather important to position your car between the cones and not knock them over. If you can see all your wheels at the same time it's huge advantage over more simulation way of approach.

That's it exactly. I asked Scawen if there was a way to force cockpit view for the autox event because we thought it was important and he said it could be done in insim but would be very complicated, so he implemented this. I am glad it's in there for the autocross event, as knowing the boundaries of your car when you cannot see them is one of the big challenges of autocross in real life. As for other things mentioned in this thread (regarding racing LFS in general), I guess we'll see what happens and see what works best for everybody, which I'm sure Scawen has in mind.

Quote from XCNuse :

This is the reason as to why I said no.
Some of us also don't have 2 or 3 monitors to see stuff either, and need as much view as we can get.

Which do you prefer?

Everyone having the same view to make it equal, and possibly dropping 25% or more of the racers who can't handle that much of an FPS drop, and will cause a ton of crashes because they can't see anything.
Or
Leave it the way it is, and keep all of the racers, and give people more freedom to choose as they wish and be able to have cleaner races.

To me it seems like you're suggesting that all servers will use forced cockpit view. Servers are created and changed to meet the needs of those who play LFS. There will be a demand for servers without forced cockpit view, and I don't see why this demand wouldn't be met by those running servers.

Quote from The Very End :

But again, this is up to the server host to deside, lets hope they have mercy upon us arcade racers.

You're right, so why the complaining towards the devs on this? I don't think the issue here is whether this is a good idea, because it is an option, and it certainly will be useful for some servers. The issue is whether all servers will use forced cockpit view. So instead of complaining about the devs making this optional change, perhaps we could get a discussion between server hosts going, ask them what they think instead of just speculating. I would think that the majority of servers will leave things as they are, and a minority will force cockpit views. If too many force it, and numbers on the servers decline, people running these servers may decide to change back to allowing all views. Things usually work out in the end...

Quote from mantvisrep :

This is like in F-1 who got the best SETUP they are making nice laps , bad set bad lap

I agree setups certainly do make a difference, but that's part of the skill of it A good setup will make the difference between a 1:13 and a 1:12, but the difference between a 1:23 and a 1:13 will be 90% driver if you already have a stable setup.

Quote from wien :

I'm guessing it's for the AutoX competition servers. Driving AutoX in wheels view for instance has it's advantages since it's much easier to place your wheels around cones and such. When prices are involved that may be seen as an unfair advantage I guess.

Yeah, I think with the autocross using wheels view really takes a lot of the challenge out of it. In real life, a huge part of autocross is learning the dimensions of your car and placing it correctly. With wheels view, this part of the challenge is no longer there.

I think a lot of people are worrying about this option too much with regards to the future of LFS playing, when it was really conceived to help improve the autocross competition. Those that know the developers know that they listen to suggestions and feedback, and if something needs changing, it will be looked at.

Wow, the compare two laps on the competition website is awesome! Comparison of driving lines, traces with speed and location...one thing that would be fantastic is if we were able to see the overhead view with the traces a little larger. Really cool idea though.

I love the design of the competition websites, nice job on that. That picture of the LX doing the slalom is awesome.

I love that someone is complaining about how unrealistic it is when their analysis is based upon using a joystick, haha. Sure, it's not a huge amount better with a steering wheel, but really... If they want it to be 100% realistic using a PS2 controller I want to see the cars go flying into the barriers the very second you touch the steering.

Quote from Jakg :

Yup, as my Dad described "it's a heap of sh*t", but at least it's MY heap of sh*t!

It's a good looking heap of sh*t though! Looks nice.

Thanks guys. I was really lucky with that one, I was on the way to school and I looked off to the side and saw that, pulled over and took the shot! That was actually taken with an old Toshiba 2mp camera, rather than the Nikon D-SLR I shoot with now. I don't have the file right now, but I'll post it up when I do.

Here are a few of my favourites.

Quote from Viper93 :

Thats ok I can take the any comments =) Better to have people honest than trying to walk on eggs all the time. I think part of the issue comes with the way the cars are built. They have so many areo things done to these cars the second they get anywhere near each other they have to go much slower than they do than when they are by themselves so they don't tend to battle it out for very long. Boring I think is being a bit dramatic, there were things going on, but there wasn't many passes happening and it could have been much more exciting the last 1/2 of the race.

Most of the passing was done 1/2 way through the race and because of that it was great to see =)

Yeah, for sure, even when there is the potential for a lot of passing it usually dies down when people need to conserve their tires and stay out of the dirty air. I think we all wish that was not the case!

Quote from Lotesdelere :

But lets compare the starting grid and the final positions

Yeah, you have a point there, but I don't think it tells the whole story. There were a lot of battles and position changes, especially throughout the first half of the race I think. You could have a race where the lead was changing every lap and conclude that it was not that exciting because the drivers finished in the same position they qualified in.

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Quote from Captain Slow :

iv been ice skating once in canada, i was pathetic at it, but i had a really stiff dead leg at the time, as id previously had a game of footie with some candaian people and it was a very rough game (one lad got taken away in an ambulance with broken leg) but even if id been ok i doubt id of been any better. id like to be able to do it though. plus i only had about 45 mnnits on the ice

The first time I tried ice skating was when I moved over here from England. I've probably done it just a dozen times or so now, but I've never fallen over, just come very close many times. I used to rollerblade (and rollerskate back in the days before blades got big...) a lot which I'm sure helped me get into ice skating okay. I have also found my skiing experience has helped me with turns and stops when ice skating.

Funny you mentioned football (or soccer as I should probably call it now I'm over here!) being violent when you played in Canada. I have found the same thing too when playing with friends at school. It was very much okay to run straight into the guy with the ball and knock him over, or take out his ankles. I got so tired of avoiding getting body checked that I stopped playing with that group of friends. Now, I know it's not always like that, but it's interesting that we both had the same experience with casual games of footie having come from England. Maybe it's because hockey is so big here and some people think it's the same thing with a ball instead of puck!

Quote from ajp71 :

I saw Alonso following Hamilton, realising he couldn't pass him because he wasn't sufficently faster and Hamilton wasn't making mistakes and then throw a wobbly because McLaren wouldn't use team orders.

That's just sometimes how it goes...I would have loved them to be switching positions every lap as much as you, but it doesn't always work out that way. At least they were close for most of the race and it wasn't a snoozefest with each driver 10 seconds back from the one infront. For me, part of what made it good racing was that Hamilton didn't make any mistakes. If Alonso was a fair bit faster, managed to pass Hamilton, and then pulled away, how would that have made the last half of the race more exciting?

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Quote from keiran :

At the moment he is on a high but there is nothing stopping it from coming crashing down, something I don't think he is used to.

Yeah, I think the true test for Hamilton will be how well he bounces back when he has a bad race or crash. I have the feeling so far that when this happens he'll be the kind of guy that can get back into things without it bothering him or affecting his confidence, but as I've not watched him race prior to F1, I don't know. Anyone who has watched him race in the past have any comments on this?

Quote from Greboth :

I don't think anyone is seriously doubting that Hamilton has skill and talent more saying he hasn't proven himself to the level of the hype. Such as comparing him to Prost, Senna et al. I will admit I am one of these people. He does have skill and talent but he doesn't deserve (yet) being compared to the greats of F1.

Yeah, I'm with you on that one. I am certainly impressed with Hamilton so far, and I definitely see the potential for him to become the next really big thing in F1, but I agree we shouldn't be comparing him to the greats based on what we've seen so far.

Quote from Viper93 :

The second 1/2 of the race was very boring aswell... not sure if I will watch another F1 race this season... I even fell asleep.

Yeah, it would have been much more interesting if there were close battles between Hamilton and Alonso as well as Massa and Raikonnen, as well as a few others further back. Oh wait, that DID happen.

I don't know why it's so fashionable to knock F1, but I really enjoyed the race. And same with Hamilton. It's cool to say, 'well he's good but I dunno how good he is', 'he didn't really impress me', etc. Well, he's been on the podium in every race, for two races in a row he's started from pole and won, and in this last race he held off the 2-times world champion without too many problems. Sure, all drivers in F1 are pretty damn good to even get in F1, but a lot of others would have made mistakes in the same situation Hamilton was in. And for this to be a boring race, well what needs to happen to make it an interesting one? There was action all the way through the race, lots of passing.

Maybe saying all F1 races are boring and not impressive is a way of making oneself feel better than others, like they need an even better race than everyone else in order to enjoy it, in some elitist kind of way. Or perhaps F1 is just not their cup of tea and should try something else.

Viper, this whole post is not directed at you personally, just my general feelings on the topic...the only part that was directed at you was the first bit about the second half of the race.

If you think it makes a difference then it makes a difference

-1 for all tires for road cars.

This is definitely an exciting time in LFS development. Now we have a really solid base with so many little issues sorted out I'm sure the next year or two is going to see some exciting additions.

What will the Javelin do the QM in? Have you found out?

Man that thing moves. Course designers not too smart on that one! Definitely could have used some more slow-down area at the end.

I used to love playing NFS 2 SE with the McLaren F1, Ferrari F50, Lotus GT1, Ford GT90, XJ220, etc. Nicely modelled interiors and fast cars on country roads, what more could you want! Also all the cheats so you could drive school buses, Volvo estates, etc were a lot of fun Since then though I have not really found any of those games that appealed to me.